Comments on: Tensions In US-Israel Relations? Yeah, Right. http://cafepolitico.us/blog/2009/04/04/tensions-in-us-israel-relations-yeah-right/ Blogging Truth to Power Thu, 27 May 2010 13:26:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Secretary Clinton’s Next Big Test « Secretary Clinton http://cafepolitico.us/blog/2009/04/04/tensions-in-us-israel-relations-yeah-right/comment-page-1/#comment-23218 Secretary Clinton’s Next Big Test « Secretary Clinton Sat, 02 May 2009 20:53:34 +0000 http://cafepolitico.us/blog/2009/04/04/tensions-in-us-israel-relations-yeah-right/#comment-23218 [...] figures to help him obstruct pursue the peace process with the Palestinians (see also, here, for a discussion of some in the new Israeli [...] [...] figures to help him obstruct pursue the peace process with the Palestinians (see also, here, for a discussion of some in the new Israeli [...]

]]> By: tehehehe http://cafepolitico.us/blog/2009/04/04/tensions-in-us-israel-relations-yeah-right/comment-page-1/#comment-22846 tehehehe Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:14:29 +0000 http://cafepolitico.us/blog/2009/04/04/tensions-in-us-israel-relations-yeah-right/#comment-22846 Working with the moderates in Hamas, and providing them with $900 million has really paid off big time in laying the groundwork for future resoltion of the ME conflict: http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/20/what-does-900-million-buy-us-in-gaza/ Obama could save his $100 mil simply by cutting the sibsidy to terrorists by 11%. Working with the moderates in Hamas, and providing them with $900 million has really paid off big time in laying the groundwork for future resoltion of the ME conflict:

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/20/what-does-900-million-buy-us-in-gaza/

Obama could save his $100 mil simply by cutting the sibsidy to terrorists by 11%.

]]> By: tehehehe http://cafepolitico.us/blog/2009/04/04/tensions-in-us-israel-relations-yeah-right/comment-page-1/#comment-22436 tehehehe Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:52:51 +0000 http://cafepolitico.us/blog/2009/04/04/tensions-in-us-israel-relations-yeah-right/#comment-22436 At last. Some transparency: http://townhall.com/blog/g/1fb95cc0-e4b6-4f00-b476-d3470548056e At last. Some transparency:

http://townhall.com/blog/g/1fb95cc0-e4b6-4f00-b476-d3470548056e

]]> By: tehehehe http://cafepolitico.us/blog/2009/04/04/tensions-in-us-israel-relations-yeah-right/comment-page-1/#comment-22346 tehehehe Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:51:22 +0000 http://cafepolitico.us/blog/2009/04/04/tensions-in-us-israel-relations-yeah-right/#comment-22346 You are essentially right in all respects. But, Lieberman didn't say anything that was more reprehesible than what Hamas. Abu Abbas, or just about any Mid-East leader has said about Israel. In fact, he has NOT called for the genocide of all Palestinians as they have called for about Jews. The "Annapolis" proposal was dead. It is not like Obama was trying to "resurrect" it. They would have killed it. They want to put their own "stamp" on any solution (if one results), not crib from a Bush initiative. I think we should not criticize the Obama Administration. The Mid-East situation with regards to Israel is pretty intractable qat this point. Beyond saying that the US xupports a "tw-state solution" (which most Israelis aslo accept), and saying that they US will defend Israel's right to exist (as the only legitimate democracy in the region), the US can't do much. We can "jaw-bone", we can coddle, we can stomp our feet in frsutration or anger, but we can't force Israel to surrender key items that they believe are contrary to their own best interests...the same for Palestinians. Bush essentailly told the warring parties " call me when you have tired of killing each other". That may be "harsh", but its rather realistic. Unfortunately. People accused him of "abandoning" the peace process, which is certainly arguable, but that presumes there is a "peace process". There have been fits and starts, but the ascension of Hamas to lead the Palestinians drove a stake into the heart of any fledgling "process". So, now we are left with a Kubuki dance that purports to be a peace process. Obama doesn't have many options. Not his fault. Not the fault of Hillary. It is the fault of the Israelis and the Palestinians. And in that fight, we support the "democratic dog", as we should. You are essentially right in all respects.

But, Lieberman didn’t say anything that was more reprehesible than what Hamas. Abu Abbas, or just about any Mid-East leader has said about Israel. In fact, he has NOT called for the genocide of all Palestinians as they have called for about Jews.

The “Annapolis” proposal was dead. It is not like Obama was trying to “resurrect” it. They would have killed it. They want to put their own “stamp” on any solution (if one results), not crib from a Bush initiative.

I think we should not criticize the Obama Administration. The Mid-East situation with regards to Israel is pretty intractable qat this point. Beyond saying that the US xupports a “tw-state solution” (which most Israelis aslo accept), and saying that they US will defend Israel’s right to exist (as the only legitimate democracy in the region), the US can’t do much. We can “jaw-bone”, we can coddle, we can stomp our feet in frsutration or anger, but we can’t force Israel to surrender key items that they believe are contrary to their own best interests…the same for Palestinians.

Bush essentailly told the warring parties ”
call me when you have tired of killing each other”. That may be “harsh”, but its rather realistic. Unfortunately. People accused him of “abandoning” the peace process, which is certainly arguable, but that presumes there is a “peace process”. There have been fits and starts, but the ascension of Hamas to lead the Palestinians drove a stake into the heart of any fledgling “process”.

So, now we are left with a Kubuki dance that purports to be a peace process. Obama doesn’t have many options. Not his fault. Not the fault of Hillary. It is the fault of the Israelis and the Palestinians. And in that fight, we support the “democratic dog”, as we should.

]]> By: stacyb http://cafepolitico.us/blog/2009/04/04/tensions-in-us-israel-relations-yeah-right/comment-page-1/#comment-22245 stacyb Mon, 06 Apr 2009 00:25:24 +0000 http://cafepolitico.us/blog/2009/04/04/tensions-in-us-israel-relations-yeah-right/#comment-22245 Relax and try dealing with the substance of the post instead of just reiterating what we already know- yes, Israel is our ally and friend. However, that doesn't mean we can't ever criticize anything the government does because that is simply idiotic. Have you ever read Israeli newspapers? I do almost every day and guess what? They aren't afraid to question their government- good for them. Blind allegiance is dangerous. It's people like you who, ironically, help encourage bloodshed to continue. Peace in the middle east will continue to be a pipe dream so long as your ilk keep ensuring there is no meaningful dialogue that allows criticism of BOTH sides in this conflict. Yeah, right! Relax and try dealing with the substance of the post instead of just reiterating what we already know- yes, Israel is our ally and friend. However, that doesn’t mean we can’t ever criticize anything the government does because that is simply idiotic. Have you ever read Israeli newspapers? I do almost every day and guess what? They aren’t afraid to question their government- good for them.

Blind allegiance is dangerous. It’s people like you who, ironically, help encourage bloodshed to continue. Peace in the middle east will continue to be a pipe dream so long as your ilk keep ensuring there is no meaningful dialogue that allows criticism of BOTH sides in this conflict.

Yeah, right!

]]> By: tom Y http://cafepolitico.us/blog/2009/04/04/tensions-in-us-israel-relations-yeah-right/comment-page-1/#comment-22241 tom Y Sun, 05 Apr 2009 20:58:38 +0000 http://cafepolitico.us/blog/2009/04/04/tensions-in-us-israel-relations-yeah-right/#comment-22241 Yeah Right! The media are oh so deferential to Israel!?When's the last time you looked at CNN ? And excuse me if we are bending the rules so that the only Middle Eastern country that doesn't want to see us disolved in nuclear solvent is given a break to survive. Let's not lose perspective here. Your sanctimonious disapproval of our blood ally is better spent admonishing the - yes they exist- real antisemites, and anti-life forces swelling up in those deserts like giant sand storms. Or perhaps upon our good friends in the EU. You know the ones: they come under the heading "with friends like these...". Israel is one of our real friends. Call it a marriage of necessity, but they would go down with us if it came to that. Will we say that about our newly courted buddies in Tehran? Yeah right! Yeah Right!
The media are oh so deferential to Israel!?When’s the last time you looked at CNN ? And excuse me if we are bending the rules so that the only Middle Eastern country that doesn’t want to see us disolved in nuclear solvent is given a break to survive.
Let’s not lose perspective here. Your sanctimonious disapproval of our blood ally is better spent admonishing the – yes they exist- real antisemites, and anti-life forces swelling up in those deserts like giant sand storms. Or perhaps upon our good friends in the EU. You know the ones: they come under the heading “with friends like these…”.
Israel is one of our real friends. Call it a marriage of necessity, but they would go down with us if it came to that.
Will we say that about our newly courted buddies in Tehran?
Yeah right!

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